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« Reply #22960 on: March 13, 2010, 11:44:28 AM »
@ NNs,

More details on Nitel bid probe.
If the money fits we must profit:

"NCP Reviews Sale of NITEL
?Inaugurates c?ttee to probe transaction, allegations of bribe
From Kunle Aderinokun, George Oji in Abuja and Efem Nkanga in Lagos, 03.13.2010

Contrary to expectations, the National Council on Privatisation yesterday elected not to approve the $2.5 billion bid for Nigeria Telecommunications Limited submitted by the New Generation Telecommunications Consortium during the financial bid held for the troubled telecom firm last month.

Rising from its meeting yesterday, the NCP, instead, set up a seven-member ad-hoc committee to undertake further due diligence on the prospective investors that bid for NITEL, as well as investigate allegations of financial impropriety said to have beset the transaction.

The Technical Committ-ee of the NCP had recommended that a confirmation letter be given to New Generation Telecommun-ications which emerged the preferred bidder after it offered to pay $2.5 billion on February 6, an amount considered by several analysts to be unrealistically high for the national carrier.

The Technical Committee had said it found no anomaly in the transaction after it conducted a re-check of the bidders involved in the exercise.
But rather than confirm New Generation yesterday, the NCP instituted an ad-hoc committee to probe the bid process and the bidders.

THISDAY learnt that the committee was also instructed to investigate allegations that bribes were offered to officials of the Bureau of Public Enterprises to influence the outcome of the bid process.

The meeting, which was presided by the Acting President and NCP chairman, Dr. Goodluck Jonathan, was held behind closed-doors inside the Presidential Villa, Abuja.

The NCP, according to a statement signed by the Bureau of Public Enterprises? Head of Public Communications, Chigbo Anichebe, stated that the Attorney General of the Federation and Minister of Justice, Prince Adetokunbo Kayode, has been appointed chairman of the ad-hoc committee.
Other members of the committee include the Minister of Finance, Dr. Mansur Muhtar; Secretary of the Government of the Federation, Mahmud Yayale Ahmed; Minister of State for Commerce and Industry, Humphrey Abah; Principal Secretary to the Acting President, Mike Oghiadomhe; the chairman of the technical committee of the NCP, Mohammed Hayatu-Deen and the acting Director General of the BPE. Ms. Bolanle Onagoruwa. The committee has seven days to submit its report to the NCP.

In a related development, a statement signed by Ima Niboro, the Senior Special Assistant on Media and Publicity to the acting president, added that the NCP approved N1, 068, 686, 578 .00 to meet the active staff liabilities of Skypower Aviation Handling Company Ltd which was "successfully privatised" recently.
?The money will be deducted from the proceeds from the sale of SAHCOL,? the statement said.

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« Reply #22961 on: March 14, 2010, 12:48:39 AM »
@NNs,

Nitel....the story so far:

"Gauging the new political twist to NITEL sale

By EVEREST AMAEFULE, Published: Sunday, 14 Mar 2010

When the Acting Chairman of the Technical Committee of the National Council on Privatisation, Professor Taiwo Osipitan, announced that the New Generation Consortium Limited had won the bid to acquire 75 per cent in the Nigerian Telecommunications Limited on February 16, many heaved a sigh of relief.

For many, the end of the long walk that had taken about 10 years was in sight. For others that know how controversial and emotional the exercise could be, there was need to be cautious in expressing optimism that a final suitor was now ready to take NITEL and its mobile subsidiary home.

The bid sum of $2.5bn was the source of worry this time. How can a company stake $2.5bn for 75 per cent stake in NITEL that had been financially insolvent while almost every operator in the Nigerian telecommunications sector was smiling regularly to the bank?

For this cautious group, it was only a matter of time before a fresh controversy would explode. Remembering the inability of Investors International of London Limited to pay $1.317bn for 51 per cent equity in NITEL in 2001, many reasoned that the bubble would burst when New Generation is invited to pay the bid price.

Among the five companies that eventually tendered for NITEL, the closest rival to New Generation, Omen International offered a bid of $954m, a price many considered more realistic. This raised the suspicion that New Generation may not be able to pay when invited.

The controversies

For those waiting for a controversial twist, it came too early - just a day after the bid opening - as a member of the New Generation Consortium; China Unicom, denied any involvement in the deal. The company had been listed as the technical partner. It was to later clarify that its European subsidiary had offered technical partnership to the New Generation consortium on terms that were yet to be agreed on. But the denial had already taken its toll on the integrity of the transaction.

As if that controversy was not enough, the Federal Government proceeded with the suspension of the Director General of the BPE, Dr. Christopher Anyanwu, based on a petition written by the Chairman of the Technical Committee of the National Council on Privatisation, Mr. Mohammed Hayatudeen.

Investigations by our correspondent showed that in the petition, Hayatudeen had accused Anyanwu of insubordination to the Technical Committee which oversees the actions of BPE on behalf of NCP.

It was learnt that Anyanwu had a penchant for bypassing the reporting line to get approval for memos originating from BPE. Apart from bypassing the technical committee most of the times, our correspondent learnt that he once bypassed NCP chaired by Goodluck Jonathan as Vice-President to get an approval from President Umar Yar?Adua.

Investigations also showed that aides to Jonathan especially his Economic Adviser, Mr. Sam Worlu, and Principal Secretary, Chief Mike Oghaidome, had not been happy with the way Anyanwu preferred to deal directly with their boss instead of through them.

Coming on the heels of the transaction, the immediate interpretation of observers was that Anyanwu?s suspension had to do with the conduct of the sale of NITEL.

The preferred bidder and the price

The most influential member of the New Generation Consortium is the Minerva Group based in the United Arab Emirate. The group had written two times to state its readiness to finance the acquisition of NITEL by the New Generation Consortium. It plans to acquire 68 per cent shares of the New Generation Consortium to be able to control 51 per cent equity in NITEL. It has also stated its capacity and readiness to advance loans in excess of $5bn to reactivate NITEL.

The second most prominent member of the consortium is the G-Cell Wireless Limited led by Mallam Usman Gumi. G-Cell has been operating in several un-served and underserved areas of the Nigerian telecoms market including about 405 communities spread around Cross Rivers State and Kwara State. It is a beneficiary of more than $5m grant from the World Bank to address underserved markets in Nigeria. G-Cell also won the bid to operate the rural telephony project of the Ministry of Information and Communication in North East geopolitical zone. Investigation by our correspondent showed that the five other companies that won the rural telephony bids in the other five geopolitical zones are also members of the New Generation consortium. They plan to integrate the rural telephony project into the new NITEL.

A Deputy General Manager at NITEL, Mr. Pius Ugandem, told our correspondent that what the New Generation Consortium was buying was opportunities and not necessarily what was on the ground. He expressed confidence that the consortium would be able to recoup its investment in one year, adding that NITEL had sufficient human resources to make this happen without necessarily looking for expatriates that could cost much more to the consortium.

But Managing Director of the Nigerian Communications Satellite Limited (NigComSat) and a Member of the NITEL Board of Directors, Mr. Ahmed Rufai, said instead of focusing on the bid price offered by New Generation, people should take another look at NITEL.

Rufai, who always insisted that NITEL has tremendous market value, asked if anybody knew the market value of NITEL?s right of way throughout the country. Insisting that the bidder must have done its due diligence well, Rufai reminded our correspondent that NITEL was now being sold without liabilities. He added that the Federal Government needs about $1.8bn to settle NITEL liabilities including workers salary arrears and Transcorp?s debt.

Others of similar opinion added that seven years after GSM operators insisted that they paid heavily for their frequencies, Etisalat paid $400m for the same frequency that other GSM operators paid $285m to obtain. According to them, apart from numerous frequencies, NITEL has abundance of other telecommunications resources.

While the controversies rage, New Generation has not yet been issued a letter of authority to begin payment for NITEL. This has thrown the transaction into the political arena with key political actors joining the fray.

Now enters the lawmakers

Chairman, Senate Committee on Communications, Senator Sylvester Anyanwu, told our correspondent that the committee may petition Acting President Goodluck Jonathan over the delays in concluding the sale to a new core investor.

Anyanwu lamented that 24 days after the financial bid, the preferred bidder was yet to get a letter of offer from the BPE, which serves as the secretariat of the National Council on Privatisation.

The committee chairman said it had become necessary to seek Jonathan?s intervention in order to give NITEL an opportunity to be revived and restore the hope of many workers and the youths that can be employed in a thriving environment.

Head of Public Communications at BPE, Mr. Chigbo Anichebe, however, told our correspondent on the telephone that the preferred bidder had not been issued with a letter of offer because the NCP headed by Acting President Goodluck Jonathan had been able to meet to ratify the transaction due to his busy schedule as Acting President.

Anyanwu said, ?I don?t understand the delay in issuing the necessary documents to the preferred bidder. The committee intends to write the Acting President on this. The more we delay the more NITEL continues to wither. We should not allow NITEL detractors to continue to hold us back. If we are able to get NITEL back, there is no way it cannot employ 1,000 Nigerians.?

Anyanwu said the Senate might also demand an apology from the Chinese company for its role in demonising the transaction with the initial denial it issued without clarifying matters with its European subsidiary.

CNPP joins the fray

Now the Conference of Nigeria Political Parties (CNPP) has also joined the fray. The conference has warned Jonathan against tampering with the process of selling NITEL and M-Tel to New Generation Consortium Limited.

Addressing a press conference in Abuja on Thursday, National Publicity Secretary of the organisation, Mr. Osita Okechukwu, said it was too early for Jonathan to allow tainted predators to deceive him into cancelling the exercise.

Okechukwu said, ?CNPP is outraged that after 23 days the Technical Committee of the National Council on Privatisation and the Bureau of Public Enterprises had concluded the NITEL bid, the rule of law and due process seem to be abandoned from all indications and to add salt to injury, the Director General of BPE, Dr. Christopher Anyanwu, has been sacrificed on the alter of intrigue, manipulation and self serving officials of NCP.

?We are further embarrassed that the Acting President wittingly or unwittingly is allowing the rule of law, due process and the nation lose $2.5bn; after exhaustive due diligence was carried out by both the Technical Committee and the transaction advisers, BNP Paribas Consortium; if the bid won by New Generation is cancelled.

He added, ?CNPP wishes to warn that it will be too early in the day for the Acting President to allow predators and scavengers who are alleged to have collected huge sums in dollars to deceive him into cancelling the NITEL bid.

?NITEL bid since 2001 had suffered a lot of reverses that the liabilities trailing the transaction are hovering between $1.5bn and $1.8bn.?

Okechukwu added that should the NITEL bid be cancelled, CNPP would be forced to open the Pandora?s Box because it believed that there was no cogent and verifiable reason to annul the exercise.

There were indications on Thursday that the National Council on Privatisation could meet on Friday to take decision on the transaction. If the council eventually met, the outcome of the meeting had not been ascertained as at press time. So the waiting game continues and who knows the twist next time. Goodluck, the ball is now in the court of Jonathan."

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« Reply #22962 on: March 15, 2010, 01:43:23 PM »
How is the market doing today?

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« Reply #22963 on: March 15, 2010, 04:07:07 PM »
How is the market doing today?

the market is has gone fine, 28 losers, 53 gainers.Strong signs indeed.that reminds me of the good old days of early 2008.

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« Reply #22964 on: March 15, 2010, 07:14:02 PM »
If its nigerians financing d deal, then I may start doubting my previous believe that the money will not be paid. We have a lot of nigerians that have looted the treasury with more money than sense who do not know wat to do with it. Nice article on thisday about nitel sale dead on arrival.

@ Bandido,

Read the story last night.
The sale is shaky. The only viable explanation I can think of is that the NewGen is a front for some Nigerians. It seems they all bidded quite low than it was announced that the sale is without liabilities and the price offered shot up to 2.5 Billion. The buyers probably expect that if they pay the 2.5 Billion dollars they will be left alone, which I think they should. It will still be a money spinner for generations to come. Anyone ever wondered how much Globacom has invested and when they expect to break even?

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Mr. Adenuga did not pay $2.5B for his license (I think he paid $400M or so).  Whoever buys NITEL must make similar investment Adenuga made to build a network, on top of the $2.5B

Mr Adenuga paid only $200m for his multiple licences - GSM and 2nd national carrier. The others - Econet (now Zain), MTN and Nitel - paid $285m for just GSM licence.

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« Reply #22965 on: March 15, 2010, 08:51:08 PM »
If its nigerians financing d deal, then I may start doubting my previous believe that the money will not be paid. We have a lot of nigerians that have looted the treasury with more money than sense who do not know wat to do with it. Nice article on thisday about nitel sale dead on arrival.

@ Bandido,

Read the story last night.
The sale is shaky. The only viable explanation I can think of is that the NewGen is a front for some Nigerians. It seems they all bidded quite low than it was announced that the sale is without liabilities and the price offered shot up to 2.5 Billion. The buyers probably expect that if they pay the 2.5 Billion dollars they will be left alone, which I think they should. It will still be a money spinner for generations to come. Anyone ever wondered how much Globacom has invested and when they expect to break even?

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

Mr. Adenuga did not pay $2.5B for his license (I think he paid $400M or so).  Whoever buys NITEL must make similar investment Adenuga made to build a network, on top of the $2.5B

Mr Adenuga paid only $200m for his multiple licences - GSM and 2nd national carrier. The others - Econet (now Zain), MTN and Nitel - paid $285m for just GSM licence.

Thanks for the clarification....
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

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« Reply #22966 on: March 16, 2010, 08:16:57 AM »
If its nigerians financing d deal, then I may start doubting my previous believe that the money will not be paid. We have a lot of nigerians that have looted the treasury with more money than sense who do not know wat to do with it. Nice article on thisday about nitel sale dead on arrival.

@ Bandido,

Read the story last night.
The sale is shaky. The only viable explanation I can think of is that the NewGen is a front for some Nigerians. It seems they all bidded quite low than it was announced that the sale is without liabilities and the price offered shot up to 2.5 Billion. The buyers probably expect that if they pay the 2.5 Billion dollars they will be left alone, which I think they should. It will still be a money spinner for generations to come. Anyone ever wondered how much Globacom has invested and when they expect to break even?

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

Mr. Adenuga did not pay $2.5B for his license (I think he paid $400M or so).  Whoever buys NITEL must make similar investment Adenuga made to build a network, on top of the $2.5B

Mr Adenuga paid only $200m for his multiple licences - GSM and 2nd national carrier. The others - Econet (now Zain), MTN and Nitel - paid $285m for just GSM licence.

Thanks for the clarification....

@ Shak, Sdeck, Bandido, NNs, etc

I think you miss the point I was making about how much Adenuga has invested in Globacom. Not how much he paid for the licence. The money paid for the Atlantic cable and all the offices and cables in Nigeria etc need to be included. Nitel already has a lot of these things in place, not to mention  exchanges, all that is needed is upgrading and activating.Some of the offices and buildings housing some of the exchanges may even be sold or developed for other purposes.
The crunch is whether NewGen pays if allowed to pay. Don't think they will willingly throw their money away. It is noteworthy that the Nitel staff and unions are rooting for NewGen.

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« Last Edit: March 16, 2010, 08:23:10 AM by samstone4 »

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« Reply #22967 on: March 16, 2010, 01:51:48 PM »
You people are still talking about this NITEL confusion; lets talk about the market o and leave deady body.

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« Reply #22968 on: March 16, 2010, 02:36:45 PM »
If its nigerians financing d deal, then I may start doubting my previous believe that the money will not be paid. We have a lot of nigerians that have looted the treasury with more money than sense who do not know wat to do with it. Nice article on thisday about nitel sale dead on arrival.

@ Bandido,

Read the story last night.
The sale is shaky. The only viable explanation I can think of is that the NewGen is a front for some Nigerians. It seems they all bidded quite low than it was announced that the sale is without liabilities and the price offered shot up to 2.5 Billion. The buyers probably expect that if they pay the 2.5 Billion dollars they will be left alone, which I think they should. It will still be a money spinner for generations to come. Anyone ever wondered how much Globacom has invested and when they expect to break even?

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

Mr. Adenuga did not pay $2.5B for his license (I think he paid $400M or so).  Whoever buys NITEL must make similar investment Adenuga made to build a network, on top of the $2.5B

Mr Adenuga paid only $200m for his multiple licences - GSM and 2nd national carrier. The others - Econet (now Zain), MTN and Nitel - paid $285m for just GSM licence.

Thanks for the clarification....

@ Shak, Sdeck, Bandido, NNs, etc

I think you miss the point I was making about how much Adenuga has invested in Globacom. Not how much he paid for the licence. The money paid for the Atlantic cable and all the offices and cables in Nigeria etc need to be included. Nitel already has a lot of these things in place, not to mention  exchanges, all that is needed is upgrading and activating.Some of the offices and buildings housing some of the exchanges may even be sold or developed for other purposes.
The crunch is whether NewGen pays if allowed to pay. Don't think they will willingly throw their money away. It is noteworthy that the Nitel staff and unions are rooting for NewGen.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
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Alakoso, I just gave that information about the price paid
I am not interested in Nitel, NNPC, PHCN at all (at least on this thread) unless
they are bringing them to the market for listing
They should LIST all of them
Otherwise I am only interested in discussing them in our yabis or government harrasment fora

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« Reply #22969 on: March 16, 2010, 03:34:01 PM »
@ Ofo, Sdeck,

Welcome.
Good to see you here again.
If I have anything of interest to say about the market be sure I will do so here.
Please post some material about the market so we can all read.

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« Reply #22970 on: March 18, 2010, 07:35:25 AM »
Lets talk about the market, which stocks are we to go for in the short term now? A lot of stocks are looking juicy right now.

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« Reply #22971 on: March 18, 2010, 11:24:46 AM »
Lets talk about the market, which stocks are we to go for in the short term now? A lot of stocks are looking juicy right now.

@ Ofo,

Generally don't do short term although I joined the gand during the boom but only to a limited extent. For cico, I will look for good stocks that I can keep long term if necessary in case it goes pear-shape, like we say in the U of K. One that comes to mind for me is Transcorp at under 55k in anticipation of better than expected result since nobody expects anthing good from TC. If you don't trust the result you can then sell at about 60k. Lots of others may fit the cico criteria eg CIL leasing, Japaul and even the distressed banks upon rumour but these banks are very risky and must get out very quickly if you dare go in.
Caveat, I don't do cico normally.

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« Reply #22972 on: March 18, 2010, 01:08:17 PM »
It appears just like London abi stamford bridge that the NSE is gradually going back to the low levels we reached before.

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« Reply #22973 on: March 18, 2010, 02:16:18 PM »
@ Ofo, Nns,

Warren Buffet is the opposite of cicoer.
By long term is usually meant 5 years at least. Minor sums can always be used for cico and be on the lookout for changing circumstances that may lead to a change in the portfolio.
My aim is to get my protfolio to about 10 choice stocks and get about my life and, hopefully, collect some regualar dividends.

Warren SS Buffet:

"Rules That Warren Buffett Lives By
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Warren Buffett is arguably the world's greatest stock investor. He's also a bit of a philosopher. He pares down his investment ideas into simple, memorable sound bites. Do you know what his homespun sayings really mean? Does his philosophy hold up in today's difficult environment? Find out below.
"Rule No. 1: Never Lose Money. Rule No. 2: Never Forget Rule No. 1."
Buffett personally lost about $23 billion in the financial crisis of 2008, and his company, Berkshire Hathaway, lost its revered AAA ratings. So how can he tell us to never lose money?
He's referring to the mindset of a sensible investor. Don't be frivolous. Don't gamble. Don't go into an investment with a cavalier attitude that it's OK to lose. Be informed. Do your homework. Buffett invests only in companies he thoroughly researches and understands. He doesn't go into an investment prepared to lose, and neither should you.
Buffett believes the most important quality for an investor is temperament, not intellect. A successful investor doesn't focus on being with or against the crowd.
The stock market will swing up and down. But in good times and bad, Buffett stays focused on his goals. So should we. (This esteemed investor rarely changes his long-term investing strategy no matter what the market does.

"If The Business Does Well, the Stock Eventually Follows"
The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham convinced Buffett that investing in a stock equates to owning a piece of the business. So when he searches for a stock to invest in, Buffett seeks out businesses that exhibit favorable long-term prospects. Does the company have a consistent operating history? Does it have a dominant business franchise? Is the business generating high and sustainable profit margins? If the company's share price is trading below expectations for its future growth, then it's a stock Buffett may want to own.
Buffett never buys anything unless he can write down his reasons why he'll pay a specific price per share for a particular company. Do you do the same?
"It's Far Better to Buy a Wonderful Company at a Fair Price Than a Fair Company at a Wonderful Price"
Buffett is a value investor who likes to buy quality stocks at rock-bottom prices. His real goal is to build more and more operating power for Berkshire Hathaway by owning stocks that will generate solid profits and capital appreciation for years to come. When the markets reeled during the recent financial crisis, Buffett was stockpiling great long-term investments by investing billions in names like General Electric and Goldman Sachs.
To pick stocks well, investors must set down criteria for uncovering good businesses, and stick to their discipline. You might, for example, seek companies that offer a durable product or service and also have solid operating earnings and the germ for future profits. You might establish a minimum market capitalization you're willing to accept, and a maximum P/E ratio or debt level. Finding the right company at the right price -- with a margin for safety against unknown market risk -- is the ultimate goal.
Remember, the price you pay for a stock isn't the same as the value you get. Successful investors know the difference.
"Our Favorite Holding Period Is Forever"
How long should you hold a stock? Buffett says if you don't feel comfortable owning a stock for 10 years, you shouldn't own it for 10 minutes. Even during the period he called the "Financial Pearl Harbor," Buffett loyally held on to the bulk of his portfolio.
Unless a company has suffered a sea change in prospects, such as impossible labor problems or product obsolescence, a long holding period will keep an investor from acting too human. That is, being too fearful or too greedy can cause investors to sell stocks at the bottom or buy at the peak -- and destroy portfolio appreciation for the long run.
You may think the recent financial meltdown changed things, but don't be fooled: those unfussy sayings from the Oracle of Omaha still RULE!"

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« Reply #22974 on: March 19, 2010, 04:59:06 AM »
The rally is over. Profit taking is now the order of the day. Seasoned investors will start taking position by monday. Dont miss out on our nxt bus to Ohio. The market is back with its tempo.

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« Reply #22975 on: March 19, 2010, 05:25:00 AM »
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Muktar (CSO).
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Ministerial Cabinet
All hail Jonathan, Thou shall do same in CBN hereafter

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« Reply #22976 on: March 19, 2010, 07:00:05 AM »
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Muktar (CSO).
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Ministerial Cabinet
All hail Jonathan, Thou shall do same in CBN hereafter

@ Saint,

I hail him for the first two but don't agree with the cbn one. Sanusi's motives have been suspected but he has done a lot of good in exposing the corrupt MDs and the illegal stocks manipulations. Let us hope the stolen monies are retrieved and returned to the shareholders.
Jonathan needs to focus on the performance of efcc now especially with regard to the thieving governors.

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« Reply #22977 on: March 19, 2010, 07:45:25 AM »
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Muktar (CSO).
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Ministerial Cabinet
All hail Jonathan, Thou shall do same in CBN hereafter

as for the 3rd line, you got everything wrong!!!!

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« Reply #22978 on: March 19, 2010, 01:02:26 PM »
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Muktar (CSO).
All hail Jonathan, The sacker of Ministerial Cabinet
All hail Jonathan, Thou shall do same in CBN hereafter

as for the 3rd line, you got everything wrong!!!!


I cant be wrong. A regulator is suposed to be careful with his uterances, Benarnke & Gordon Brown were able to stear their country through a more severe economic condition cos they were careful in utereances. They always give hope not despair. He wuld have silently recomended d AMC & use it...

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« Reply #22979 on: March 19, 2010, 01:43:50 PM »
I saw him wearing bow tie yesterday at the one day hearing of the Asset Management Company. The capital mkt is very sensitive to information especially from regulators that its activities has direct effect on the day to day market affair. Like SEC, NSE, CBN. Musa Alfarki all the time he was in SEC u hardly hear his voice. Its not that he is not seeing all malpractices in the system, but he is being careful. Soludo has always being a habinger of hope even when he knew all wasnt that well. Ndii Okereke is the last person that will tell u anything negative about the market. Anything concerning economy, its not enof to discover what is wrong in or with the system. D major issue is d solution. What is the need for all d panic if he can use AMC to curtail the problem.

@ Husu, @Samstone, @ NNS, i should start claping for him for discovering problems he aint got solution for. HE DIDNT TRY

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« Reply #22980 on: March 19, 2010, 04:17:42 PM »
@Sanctasima
which stock do you recommmend?

@Samstone4
which top stock do you recommend?

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« Reply #22981 on: March 19, 2010, 05:26:46 PM »
am trying to make a choice between dangote flour and dangote sugar

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« Reply #22982 on: March 19, 2010, 10:30:35 PM »
am trying to make a choice between dangote flour and dangote sugar

@ Ofo,

top stock to reccomend at this time? Very many undervalued but I only deal with long term view.
Dan Sugar seems to have better fundamental than Dan flour right now but both seem good. Don't think either can fall very much in the near future as Dangote is not likely to offlaod a substantial amount of either. Your decision may be guided by what else you have in your portfolio. Good idea to diversify to areas where you're underweight. The thing is to steer clear of illiquid stocks. I like the plans of OandO but sceptical of their leadership. May be a good core investment for long term, if you can get past a fear of Cabury type situation. That OandO is also listed in Johannesburg may give some succour. Guinness and NBreweries are both good for steady dividends etc etc
transcorp is still a bit speculative but the upside is very high at current price.

@Ofo, saint, NNs,

Part of the solution Sanusi has offered is getting the efcc to recover some of the money taken by the banks MDs.Hope the money actually gets back to the shareholders.
I agree he is too temperamental and that is not good for the market.
Alfaki, my friend, was quiet but did nothing while all the shenanigans were going on.
Ndidi, was very innovative but outstayed her usefulness. She has become a lightning rod for criticisms and Transcorp may be better with her stepping aside, as she was gong to do for Kolade.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
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« Reply #22983 on: March 20, 2010, 01:39:59 AM »
I saw him wearing bow tie yesterday at the one day hearing of the Asset Management Company. The capital mkt is very sensitive to information especially from regulators that its activities has direct effect on the day to day market affair. Like SEC, NSE, CBN. Musa Alfarki all the time he was in SEC u hardly hear his voice. Its not that he is not seeing all malpractices in the system, but he is being careful. Soludo has always being a habinger of hope even when he knew all wasnt that well. Ndii Okereke is the last person that will tell u anything negative about the market. Anything concerning economy, its not enof to discover what is wrong in or with the system. D major issue is d solution. What is the need for all d panic if he can use AMC to curtail the problem.

@ Husu, @Samstone, @ NNS, i should start claping for him for discovering problems he aint got solution for. HE DIDNT TRY

Yes, I had similar concerns about his temper and the impact of his utterances on the market and the recovery efforts, however he is still a saint to me considering that he could have collected his own share of the loot (i am sure thats wot Soludo did) and looked away(or bought the governorship ticket for Kano State, under pdp or any party of his choice) while stockholders' and depositors' money are cartered away into private bank accounts or used to buy choice properties in many different countries. Please excuse him because, a few people still have rightous indignation in our country especially when they see the alacrity of the cleptomania and the brazen blue collar robbery that has become a staple in Nigeria. He is definitely a brave man to have come out with all his guns blazing, especially considering what happened to Ribadu, and for that alone I prostrate to him, Nigeria needs more of him and Ribadu. I am sure the solution to the problems are on the way but first the problems should be exposed completely and reparations extracted so that the lessons about insatiable greed could be learned.
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« Reply #22984 on: March 20, 2010, 02:03:22 AM »
I saw him wearing bow tie yesterday at the one day hearing of the Asset Management Company. The capital mkt is very sensitive to information especially from regulators that its activities has direct effect on the day to day market affair. Like SEC, NSE, CBN. Musa Alfarki all the time he was in SEC u hardly hear his voice. Its not that he is not seeing all malpractices in the system, but he is being careful. Soludo has always being a habinger of hope even when he knew all wasnt that well. Ndii Okereke is the last person that will tell u anything negative about the market. Anything concerning economy, its not enof to discover what is wrong in or with the system. D major issue is d solution. What is the need for all d panic if he can use AMC to curtail the problem.

@ Husu, @Samstone, @ NNS, i should start claping for him for discovering problems he aint got solution for. HE DIDNT TRY

Yes, I had similar concerns about his temper and the impact of his utterances on the market and the recovery efforts, however he is still a saint to me considering that he could have collected his own share of the loot (i am sure thats wot Soludo did) and looked away(or bought the governorship ticket for Kano State, under pdp or any party of his choice) while stockholders' and depositors' money are cartered away into private bank accounts or used to buy choice properties in many different countries. Please excuse him because, a few people still have rightous indignation in our country especially when they see the alacrity of the cleptomania and the brazen blue collar robbery that has become a staple in Nigeria. He is definitely a brave man to have come out with all his guns blazing, especially considering what happened to Ribadu, and for that alone I prostrate to him, Nigeria needs more of him and Ribadu. I am sure the solution to the problems are on the way but first the problems should be exposed completely and reparations extracted so that the lessons about insatiable greed could be learned.

@ GovernmentMoni,

Hear! Hear!! - like we say in the mother of parliament.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8) 8)
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« Reply #22985 on: March 20, 2010, 02:53:46 AM »
These banks will soon start flowing out their reports/results of december 2009, I cant wait anymore to see the market skyrocket, I know  that, when that starts coming then many banking stocks will be on bid, so you wise investor, the signs are there already, take your position now so you don,t regret this juicy opportunity. GTB will be  up soon for 23 , Firstbank will be up for 25 naira, Zenith bank will be up for 21 naira. For any CICOERS or short termers, your time is approaching, Board your train now or be at alert, For long Termers Board as well as you don,t mind short term profits.

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« Reply #22986 on: March 20, 2010, 05:15:22 AM »
These banks will soon start flowing out their reports/results of december 2009, I cant wait anymore to see the market skyrocket, I know  that, when that starts coming then many banking stocks will be on bid, so you wise investor, the signs are there already, take your position now so you don,t regret this juicy opportunity. GTB will be  up soon for 23 , Firstbank will be up for 25 naira, Zenith bank will be up for 21 naira. For any CICOERS or short termers, your time is approaching, Board your train now or be at alert, For long Termers Board as well as you don,t mind short term profits.

Banks cant pay dividends this year therefore, I dont see banks move that wild soon becos the greatest motivator of price movement, PAT & DIVIDEND is in awry state. Maybe GTB can fly as they are +18b @ 3rd quater, This means they can pay good div

 FBN is +2b @ 3rd quater. This means that if even they make whoophing N12b @ 4th quat & add it to 3rd quat N2b making it N14b, they are still lower than 50k EPS. This means they are going to pay div less than 50k unless they dip hands to their reserve which is not quite wise.

Fidelity & IBTC are in a scary positive state but these 2 are not a good dividend paying banks in the good old days, not to talk of now. So i expect nothing from them.

Other banks PAT are in red as @ 3rd quater. So little or nothing will be coming.  Though u might see most of them paying 5kobo to fulfil all righteousness. So as not to break the culture of regular div payer.

I xpect rallies from banks after release of their 1st quat & more rally @ the release of their 2nd quat.

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« Reply #22987 on: March 20, 2010, 09:04:17 AM »
Let's all remember the lessons of the past. And pay special attention 2 d rules of Warren Buffet. Never Lose Money. We seem 2 misunderstand the meanin of long term. Long term does not mean losing money. If u see you have made a wrong investment in a company that is dead or dying, do you decide to wait till the company is dead and you lose all your money in the name of long term? Lessons I ave learnt from the past. 1. Do not lose my capital. 2. Do my own research. No more Yahoo will get to N50 and I put my money into it. Is the person a prophet? What was there last result? What is the trend of their turnover, and profit? What is happenin in the industry? I will be long term as soon as the fundamentals remain strong. But when trends start to change, I reevaluate my options. 3. What is my investment goal? Am I looking for dividends and security of investment or am more willing to take risks for capital appreciation? I will not trade someone's investment plan. 4. Do not be in a hurry to invest. There is always another bus coming.

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« Reply #22988 on: March 20, 2010, 10:00:26 AM »
@ Osas, Saint, bandido, NNs,

Osazeet, I think you're even more optimist than the Alakoso..
What is your latest info on Transcorp?

Partially agree with Bandido, most of the banks will probably pay little or no dividend. They will want to be seen as prudent in this environment. Do think both GTB and 1st Bank money returners will pay their usual dividend. Ist bank will likely maintain their usual dividend plus bonus though they dip into their reserve as they did last year.

Good to see even an outlaw is following in the footsteps of the Omaha Oracle. We must all learn from the errors of the last boom - especially to watch out for prices manipulation but I think Ololo and his ilks will be on holidays for a while now.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

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« Reply #22989 on: March 20, 2010, 12:13:33 PM »
@ sanctasima

My friend you are being personal with Sanusi which is very bad.Sanusi is a good man doing a very difficult job.Do you remember what happen to ACB,co-operative,progress and many banks that went under with innocent depositors funds?

The game plan is simple those guy's have no plan to pay those loan back so they are waiting and praying for those banks to go down asap,so it will be very difficult to trace them to pay that loan back.
If Sanusi didn't step in what happen to those banks above was just few seconds to repeat.

We talk about GTB,First bank it will surely effect them also if Sanusi didn't step in,no bank is an island.

Most Nigerian knew those banks are going down (life support) is a matter of when not if for them to start closing up.
Sanusi is being diplomatic because believe it or not many things went badly wrong I can't even start mentioning them here because Nigeria is still our only country, since late 2008 many innocent Nigerian start moving their money out of Nigeria.   

 

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« Reply #22990 on: March 20, 2010, 12:40:45 PM »
@ sanctasima

My friend you are being personal with Sanusi which is very bad.Sanusi is a good man doing a very difficult job.Do you remember what happen to ACB,co-operative,progress and many banks that went under with innocent depositors funds?

The game plan is simple those guy's have no plan to pay those loan back so they are waiting and praying for those banks to go down asap,so it will be very difficult to trace them to pay that loan back.
If Sanusi didn't step in what happen to those banks above was just few seconds to repeat.

We talk about GTB,First bank it will surely effect them also if Sanusi didn't step in,no bank is an island.

Most Nigerian knew those banks are going down (life support) is a matter of when not if for them to start closing up.
Sanusi is being diplomatic because believe it or not many things went badly wrong I can't even start mentioning them here because Nigeria is still our only country, since late 2008 many innocent Nigerian start moving their money out of Nigeria.   

 

@ Ekwa,

Welcome back.
Take it you're a banker?
You seem to know a bit about peeps moving their money abroad.
I agree with you that Sanusi has been doing the necessary. He was a bit loud in the beginning but appears to have piped down a little know.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....

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« Reply #22991 on: March 20, 2010, 01:21:05 PM »
@ Samstone4.

Good day sir.

Take it you're a banker?
Am not a banker,am a business man.

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« Reply #22992 on: March 21, 2010, 03:01:44 AM »
Greetings my people...how has everyone been? Is the market alive and well or asleep and dead?
Enjoy.

Pumping.

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« Reply #22993 on: March 21, 2010, 11:10:47 AM »
Greetings my people...how has everyone been? Is the market alive and well or asleep and dead?

@ Pump777,

Where have you been?
My postings have almost overtaken you.
The peeps were crying to stop talking about Nitel so even I had to cool it.
Shak has been active but seems to have tired over the past week.
Market still basically the same - good for long term investor but the masses want cues for cicoing so you can be very helpful to them now.
The concensus here seems to be only GTB and 1stBank are likely to pay dividends among the banks. Some feel that 1st Bank will pay reduced dividend but I believe they will dip into their reserve again to maintain the same level of dividend.
What's your take. I suspect that FCMB and a few of the other will manage to pay something.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....

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« Reply #22994 on: March 21, 2010, 08:44:56 PM »
Greetings my people...how has everyone been? Is the market alive and well or asleep and dead?

@ Pump777,

Where have you been?
My postings have almost overtaken you.
The peeps were crying to stop talking about Nitel so even I had to cool it.
Shak has been active but seems to have tired over the past week.
Market still basically the same - good for long term investor but the masses want cues for cicoing so you can be very helpful to them now.
The concensus here seems to be only GTB and 1stBank are likely to pay dividends among the banks. Some feel that 1st Bank will pay reduced dividend but I believe they will dip into their reserve again to maintain the same level of dividend.
What's your take. I suspect that FCMB and a few of the other will manage to pay something.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....

I've been out of base as per work. No chance to stay in touch at all.

As per the banks, I yes, I expct GTB to pay dividnds. I expect FBN to pay in the region of 70k.

I'm very doubful about the others. I will give outside chances to Fidelity, Diamond, FCMB and Zenith. Who knows?
Enjoy.

Pumping.

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« Reply #22995 on: March 21, 2010, 09:25:11 PM »
Greetings my people...how has everyone been? Is the market alive and well or asleep and dead?

@ Pump777,

Where have you been?
My postings have almost overtaken you.
The peeps were crying to stop talking about Nitel so even I had to cool it.
Shak has been active but seems to have tired over the past week.
Market still basically the same - good for long term investor but the masses want cues for cicoing so you can be very helpful to them now.
The concensus here seems to be only GTB and 1stBank are likely to pay dividends among the banks. Some feel that 1st Bank will pay reduced dividend but I believe they will dip into their reserve again to maintain the same level of dividend.
What's your take. I suspect that FCMB and a few of the other will manage to pay something.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....

I've been out of base as per work. No chance to stay in touch at all.

As per the banks, I yes, I expct GTB to pay dividnds. I expect FBN to pay in the region of 70k.

I'm very doubful about the others. I will give outside chances to Fidelity, Diamond, FCMB and Zenith. Who knows?

@ 777,

there was a recent very positive write up on the banks. think gtb and 1st bank money returners where the main toasts. It was by Renaissance or one of the other foreign analysts. I wonder if they fully considered the impact of the bods they have all being taking in their calculations?

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
alakoso....

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« Reply #22996 on: March 22, 2010, 02:11:35 AM »
Let's all remember the lessons of the past. And pay special attention 2 d rules of Warren Buffet. Never Lose Money. We seem 2 misunderstand the meanin of long term. Long term does not mean losing money. If u see you have made a wrong investment in a company that is dead or dying, do you decide to wait till the company is dead and you lose all your money in the name of long term? Lessons I ave learnt from the past. 1. Do not lose my capital. 2. Do my own research. No more Yahoo will get to N50 and I put my money into it. Is the person a prophet? What was there last result? What is the trend of their turnover, and profit? What is happenin in the industry? I will be long term as soon as the fundamentals remain strong. But when trends start to change, I reevaluate my options. 3. What is my investment goal? Am I looking for dividends and security of investment or am more willing to take risks for capital appreciation? I will not trade someone's investment plan. 4. Do not be in a hurry to invest. There is always another bus coming.

very well put
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

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« Reply #22997 on: March 22, 2010, 02:19:08 AM »
Greetings my people...how has everyone been? Is the market alive and well or asleep and dead?

@ Pump777,

Where have you been?
My postings have almost overtaken you.
The peeps were crying to stop talking about Nitel so even I had to cool it.
Shak has been active but seems to have tired over the past week.
Market still basically the same - good for long term investor but the masses want cues for cicoing so you can be very helpful to them now.
The concensus here seems to be only GTB and 1stBank are likely to pay dividends among the banks. Some feel that 1st Bank will pay reduced dividend but I believe they will dip into their reserve again to maintain the same level of dividend.
What's your take. I suspect that FCMB and a few of the other will manage to pay something.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....

CMDR,

I've been doing a little bit of traveling, but I'm still loyal.  Trying to catch up with what happened last week.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

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« Reply #22998 on: March 22, 2010, 05:57:35 AM »
Greetings my people...how has everyone been? Is the market alive and well or asleep and dead?

@ Pump777,

Where have you been?
My postings have almost overtaken you.
The peeps were crying to stop talking about Nitel so even I had to cool it.
Shak has been active but seems to have tired over the past week.
Market still basically the same - good for long term investor but the masses want cues for cicoing so you can be very helpful to them now.
The concensus here seems to be only GTB and 1stBank are likely to pay dividends among the banks. Some feel that 1st Bank will pay reduced dividend but I believe they will dip into their reserve again to maintain the same level of dividend.
What's your take. I suspect that FCMB and a few of the other will manage to pay something.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....

CMDR,

I've been doing a little bit of traveling, but I'm still loyal.  Trying to catch up with what happened last week.



@ Shak,

Have been monitoring you, like Jonathan monitoring the ex-ministers for money laundering. I know you have no hand in the mini-revolt here over Nitel postings. Welcome back.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

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« Reply #22999 on: March 22, 2010, 09:02:55 AM »
@ Samstone,
thanks for keeping this thread lively, just like pumping was doing those early bad days. More of good posts and a little bit of nitel bad posts. :-X