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« Reply #22880 on: February 23, 2010, 01:47:53 AM »
Alakoso, here I am reporting for duty...I was busy making sure that Nitel bid money is paid in fulll!!

LOL..make sure say u collect 10% for "kola" o
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« Reply #22881 on: February 23, 2010, 01:49:36 AM »
Any company payin $2.5bn for nitel is insane n do not know wat they r doing. My fingers are crossed.

@ NNs,

Like the prodigal son I shall bring out a bullock to welcome you back. some months ago I calculated the value of Nitel as about 2 billion based on the reported compensation tp IIL after arbritation. Some industry analysts also gave a figure of 1.2 to 2 billion dollars. We were all shouted down. A lot of the problem of Nitel are due to corruption and sabotage. I am not surprised that someone will pay 2.5 billion for Nitel - without liabilities.
I hope it works out.

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CMDR, I don't know where you came up with $2B, but I will be very very surprised if anyone pays $2.5B for NITEL.  There are 3 parts in NITEL worth paying for (GSM license, SAT3 access and property/land/building).  The last GSM license was sold for $400 and MTN bid just $25M for the SAT3 (which NITEL does not own outright). Let's even assume that MTN executives are robbers and SAT3 is worth $100M. That gives $500M leaving a balance of $2B.  Are you saying NITEL's property portfolio is worth $2B?  

If you read the recent news articles, most of the quoted analysts say they were surprised at the $2.5B figure and a more realistic number is $500M.  I am not saying these analyst are right, I'm just curios why you think NITEL is worth $2.5B.

@ Shak,

Based my calculation of $2 Billion on the compensation to IIL following international arbitration.
Sat 3 generates a lot of cash and all that is needed is proper management and some repair or upgrade.
GSM Licence worth about $400, as you agreed
Nitel has the most extensive fibreoptic network hence Iseghogi and co wanted to shave it off Nitel as the backbone company: one of the accusations against them.

My posting yesterday confirms what I have been saying that rivals and disgruntled staff have been sabotaging Nitel network cable network. The political liabilty of Transcorp and pension funds etc will not be there for the buyer.
I am not saying the correct value is $2.5 billion dollars but the figure is not far-fetched. If all the problems listed are sorted it may even be worth a lot more than 2.5 billion.
By the way, I don't think the real estate, except for the stations, is part of the deal.
Knowing the gap between their bid and the reserve bidder, I will not be surprised to see New Generation look for a way to pay less. Who knows all the denials and reaffirmations by China Unicom etc may have to do with getting to pay less.

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Alakoso...were is Pump747-800?

I must have missed something, which international arbitration awarded ILL $2B?  I must confess I have not been following TC like our Alakoso.

It even makes valuation worse without land/property.  If GSM license is worth $400M, are you implying that SAT3 is worth $2B?  How much did it cost Glo to build their version that they own 100%?  I would like to know the financial adviser to the group that won the bid.  
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« Reply #22882 on: February 23, 2010, 07:37:44 AM »
Alakoso, here I am reporting for duty...I was busy making sure that Nitel bid money is paid in fulll!!

@ Pump,

Bless you mailman.Now I can have peace of mind that NewGen will perform.

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« Reply #22883 on: February 23, 2010, 07:39:51 AM »
Alakoso, here I am reporting for duty...I was busy making sure that Nitel bid money is paid in fulll!!

LOL..make sure say u collect 10% for "kola" o

@ Shak, Pump,

10% is on the way by courier from Minerva Group, not China Unicom.

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« Reply #22884 on: February 23, 2010, 07:53:21 AM »
Cmdr, I remain loyal but if I was a bettin man, I'll put a small fortune on the $2.5bn not being paid. Reason? Times r hard. When u see ur nearest bidder offerin $1.5bn less than u did, first thing is to sack ur financial adviser. Financial advisers are BGL securities who I feel probably negotiated equity as payment. The chinese would want equity as well for their technical expertise without wanting to pay cash. Leaving only d little known financial backers who will prob thing twice now. FYI, SAT3 has alternatives now n some organisations have made the switch. If they pay $2.5bn now, how much will they invest to bring the company out of the woods? I can't even think of any bank that will finance this.

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« Reply #22885 on: February 23, 2010, 08:37:09 AM »
Cmdr, I remain loyal but if I was a bettin man, I'll put a small fortune on the $2.5bn not being paid. Reason? Times r hard. When u see ur nearest bidder offerin $1.5bn less than u did, first thing is to sack ur financial adviser. Financial advisers are BGL securities who I feel probably negotiated equity as payment. The chinese would want equity as well for their technical expertise without wanting to pay cash. Leaving only d little known financial backers who will prob thing twice now. FYI, SAT3 has alternatives now n some organisations have made the switch. If they pay $2.5bn now, how much will they invest to bring the company out of the woods? I can't even think of any bank that will finance this.

@ Jaw, Shak, NNs,
Get the point about the winners being reluctant to pay. I think the main reason for this will be the fact that the nearest bid is so much lower rather than Nitel not being worth it. They clearly would have decided that Nitel was worth this much and have the finance in place before the bid.
You must bear in mind that those who bidded lower would have wanted to pay as little as possible and may not think Nitel was not worth more than they bidded. Especially with all the talking down before the auction.

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« Reply #22886 on: February 23, 2010, 09:53:15 AM »
If u ask me, I can't pay $2.5bn for nitel today. I can sell nitel for $2.5bn though if I get a maga to pay. To me, nitel is not worth that much by any stretch of the imagination. I also do not believe they have the funds. They may have the 30percent, but not the 100 percent. At least not yet. Plan will be to raise it after they pay the 30percent.

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« Reply #22887 on: February 23, 2010, 12:16:41 PM »
If u ask me, I can't pay $2.5bn for nitel today. I can sell nitel for $2.5bn though if I get a maga to pay. To me, nitel is not worth that much by any stretch of the imagination. I also do not believe they have the funds. They may have the 30percent, but not the 100 percent. At least not yet. Plan will be to raise it after they pay the 30percent.

@Bandido,

You seem to know how these things are financed.
Let them pay the 30%. They can renege on the rest. $800 million forfeited will do nicely.

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« Reply #22888 on: February 24, 2010, 06:14:55 AM »
@ NNs,

YARDUA CAME BACK BY AIR AMBULANCE 3AM TODAY.

More on Nitel. This seems like confused journalism to me or has Omen also sought China Unicom backing?

"  Omen, NITEL reserved bidder writes Goodluck, BPE
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The controversy on the participation of China Unicom in the current effort to sell the nation?s first telecom carrier, NITEL and its mobile arm, Mtel, has deepened as Omen International, the reserved bidder wrote the National Council on Privatisation (NCP) and the Bureau of Public Enterprises (BPE) clarifying its relationship with the Chinese firm.

BPE opened bids for NITEL, last week, and New Generation Telecom won with a shocking $2.5 billion offer for the acquisition of 75 percent government equity in the telecom firm.

The reserved bidder told both the NCP chairman and Acting President Goodluck Jonathan and the BPE that it has been in contact with China Unicom and has a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to back the relationship.

The development coincides with the announcement from China Unicom that it has been in contact with a potential bidder though yet to have a negotiation for a binding legal agreement.

?China Unicom (Europe) Operations Ltd (Unicom Europe) has been in contact with certain potential bidders who propose to participate in the proposed privatisation. Unicom Europe has also indicated its interest in the provision of technical and managerial support services in relation to the proposed privatisation. Unicom Europe has also indicated that subject to certain conditions being fulfilled, it would be interested in exploring the possibility of equity investment in NITEL.

As at the date of this announcement, Unicom Europe has not commenced any negotiations with the relevant parties with respect to any substantive and legally binding agreements?, the Chinese firm announced.

It also denied participating in the bid for NITEL and warned investors not to rely on information from the company that said it bided."

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Alakoso....Yaradua came back last night but I hope he will be fit enough to formally hand over to Jonathan.Wish him a speedy recovery and happy retirement.
 
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« Reply #22889 on: February 24, 2010, 07:28:05 AM »
@ NNs,

UAC Properties 30 billion bond okayed:

"Shareholders okay UPDC's N30b bond offer

 The board and management of UACN Property Development Company (UPDC), yesterday, secured shareholders' approval to raise N30 billion corporate bond.

Proceeds of the bond, according to the firm, would be used to finance ongoing operations and short-term bank borrowings. Speaking at an extra-ordinary general meeting of the company, in Lagos, yesterday, Acting Chairman of the firm, Larry Ettah, said proceeds of the bond would provide the much-needed long-term capital required to run its operations on a sustainable basis for shareholders' value creation.

He added that real estate development require financial investment over a period of time, adding that the development period, sometimes takes years before cash income from rentals and disposals are received. Ettah said UPDC has in the past relied mostly on internally generated funds and short-term bank facilities of commercial papers and bank overdraft for financing project development.

He disclosed that the level of short-term borrowings has risen to N8.85 billion as at middle of January 2010. Explaining furthermore, Ettah said that UPDC had projects at different stages in its pipeline, requiring expenditure of over N20 billion, pointing out that the global credit melt-down, crash of the Nigerian equities market, recent developments in the banking sector and the ensuing negative impact on the availability of credit, provided a compelling need to raise fund through corporate bond.

Ettah, who is also the Group Managing Director of UACN said UPDC, engaged a team of financial advisers who worked with management and the board to arrive at the decision to issue a corporate bond as a viable funding option, until investor-interest in the equities market returns to normalcy.In his submission, President of Shareholders Solidarity Association, Timothy Adesiyan, while endorsing the proposed bond issuance, said it is not profitable to use short-term borrowing to finance long-term project.

Adebayo Adeleke, who spoke on behalf of Independent Shareholders Association of Nigeria, said he expected the firm to raise more than the proposed N30 billion because of the type of business the company engages in. The firm, in its 2008 report, declared a turnover of N13.2 billion, indicating an increase of 132 per cent over the turnover of N 5.7 billion recorded in 2007.

Profit before tax was N 3.7 billion against N1.4 billion in the preceding year, showing an increase of 159 per cent."

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« Reply #22890 on: February 24, 2010, 01:37:17 PM »
@NNs,

Latest from Presidency statement: Jonathan to continue to act while Yaradua recuperates.

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« Reply #22891 on: February 24, 2010, 03:12:50 PM »
I think it is time to smile in Transcorp.

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« Reply #22892 on: February 24, 2010, 05:45:58 PM »
I think it is time to smile in Transcorp.

@ Pacesetter,

I was alone in TC until you came!

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« Reply #22893 on: February 24, 2010, 07:31:37 PM »
I think it is time to smile in Transcorp.

why do you think so?
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« Reply #22894 on: February 24, 2010, 10:58:11 PM »
I think it is time to smile in Transcorp.

why do you think so?


@ Shak, Pacesetter, NNs,

Don't know why the smile in TC. Could it have anything to be with my postings above? Anyways, like Jack would say - Jack SS Nicholson i.e- TC moved up to 52k today on good volume. Is it possible there is a good result due to be announced?
Ashi, tell us.

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« Reply #22895 on: February 24, 2010, 11:35:01 PM »
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

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« Reply #22896 on: February 25, 2010, 06:24:43 AM »
@ NNs,

"Aiico Insurance grows Q3 profit after tax by 63%
Wednesday, 24 February 2010 01:09 Modestus Anaesoronye
?Records N7.7bn premium

Things are looking up for underwriting giant, Aiico Insurance plc, going by its third quarter 2009 result submitted to the Nigerian Stock Exchange and shareholders over the weekend. The company posted a premium income of N7.72 billion at the end of third quarter 2009, a 39.52 percent growth from N5.53 billion recorded in the same period in 2008.

Its investment and other income appreciated, despite the challenges in investment market in the year under review stood at N1.16 billion, falling less by 9.52 percent.

The company, which is likely to pay out good returns to shareholder at the end of the year, recorded a profit before tax of N1.44 billion as against N88.46 million the previous year, indicating a 62.98 percent increase. Profit after tax stood at N1.30 billion, a growth of 62.98 percent from N796.1 million the previous year. The company?s management is optimistic that the bottom line at the end of 2009 shall attain the one and half billion marks. Analyst, who commented on the result, noted that the healthy premium income growth has translated to superior margins in profitability, giving rise to a better future by year end.

Certainly, for the insurance sector in Nigeria the best was yet to come, going by the various reforms in the sector between 2003 and the present, which has positioned insurance companies more efficiently and operating on sound economic principles.

The company is keen on taking advantage of the significant opportunities presented by the expanding oil and gas sector, and already there were indications that sector leaders are setting the pace and increasing their market share. AIICO Insurance is one company that has remained focused and ready to assume a vintage position in the market, and the positive trend of its shares in the stock markets after the lull suggests that investors are taking notice. As an analyst notes, ?The release of its third quarter 2009 results with an almost 63 percent increase in its profit after tax has made Aiico Insurance shares one of the most valuable and sought-after in the insurance sector on the floors of the stock exchange.?

Throughout last week, Aiico Insurance made high gains and was the sector leader before closing at N1.12, the analyst further observed.

Analysts also attribute Aiico?s leadership to its dominance of the insurance sector, particularly in life insurance services where it is number one, and the general insurance business where it is equally a dominant player. Indices suggest that the company?s consistent performances are due to the fact that its market-based valuation compares favourably with its peers, as well as the perception as a good insurance stock among brokers.

Its innovativeness as well as its re-designation as a financial services company, aims at customising and implementing suite of applications that will address its core functional areas, life and general insurance, as well as financial services, investment and customer relationship management."

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Alakoso....AIICO, IGI ...where are my dividends?

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« Reply #22897 on: February 25, 2010, 08:03:37 AM »
@ NNs,

"Aiico Insurance grows Q3 profit after tax by 63%
Wednesday, 24 February 2010 01:09 Modestus Anaesoronye
?Records N7.7bn premium

Things are looking up for underwriting giant, Aiico Insurance plc, going by its third quarter 2009 result submitted to the Nigerian Stock Exchange and shareholders over the weekend. The company posted a premium income of N7.72 billion at the end of third quarter 2009, a 39.52 percent growth from N5.53 billion recorded in the same period in 2008.

Its investment and other income appreciated, despite the challenges in investment market in the year under review stood at N1.16 billion, falling less by 9.52 percent.

The company, which is likely to pay out good returns to shareholder at the end of the year, recorded a profit before tax of N1.44 billion as against N88.46 million the previous year, indicating a 62.98 percent increase. Profit after tax stood at N1.30 billion, a growth of 62.98 percent from N796.1 million the previous year. The company?s management is optimistic that the bottom line at the end of 2009 shall attain the one and half billion marks. Analyst, who commented on the result, noted that the healthy premium income growth has translated to superior margins in profitability, giving rise to a better future by year end.

Certainly, for the insurance sector in Nigeria the best was yet to come, going by the various reforms in the sector between 2003 and the present, which has positioned insurance companies more efficiently and operating on sound economic principles.

The company is keen on taking advantage of the significant opportunities presented by the expanding oil and gas sector, and already there were indications that sector leaders are setting the pace and increasing their market share. AIICO Insurance is one company that has remained focused and ready to assume a vintage position in the market, and the positive trend of its shares in the stock markets after the lull suggests that investors are taking notice. As an analyst notes, ?The release of its third quarter 2009 results with an almost 63 percent increase in its profit after tax has made Aiico Insurance shares one of the most valuable and sought-after in the insurance sector on the floors of the stock exchange.?

Throughout last week, Aiico Insurance made high gains and was the sector leader before closing at N1.12, the analyst further observed.

Analysts also attribute Aiico?s leadership to its dominance of the insurance sector, particularly in life insurance services where it is number one, and the general insurance business where it is equally a dominant player. Indices suggest that the company?s consistent performances are due to the fact that its market-based valuation compares favourably with its peers, as well as the perception as a good insurance stock among brokers.

Its innovativeness as well as its re-designation as a financial services company, aims at customising and implementing suite of applications that will address its core functional areas, life and general insurance, as well as financial services, investment and customer relationship management."

Samstone4 8) 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....AIICO, IGI ...where are my dividends?

@alakoso, thanks for the info on AIICO. I'm heavy on Aiico insurance, @ #6.17 per 50kobo share. Hope i will recover in the shortest possible time?

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« Reply #22898 on: February 25, 2010, 09:24:34 AM »
Its innovativeness as well as its re-designation as a financial services company, aims at customising and implementing suite of applications that will address its core functional areas, life and general insurance, as well as financial services, investment and customer relationship management."

Samstone4 8) 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....AIICO, IGI ...where are my dividends?

@alakoso, thanks for the info on AIICO.  I'm heavy on Aiico insurance, @ #6.17 per 50kobo share.Hope i will recover in the shortest possible time?

That will take some miracle, it'll be a while before we see such prices again. 

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« Reply #22899 on: February 25, 2010, 06:18:30 PM »
Its innovativeness as well as its re-designation as a financial services company, aims at customising and implementing suite of applications that will address its core functional areas, life and general insurance, as well as financial services, investment and customer relationship management."

Samstone4 8) 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso....AIICO, IGI ...where are my dividends?

@alakoso, thanks for the info on AIICO.  I'm heavy on Aiico insurance, @ #6.17 per 50kobo share.Hope i will recover in the shortest possible time?

That will take some miracle, it'll be a while before we see such prices again.  



@ Husu,

Unfortunately I think shak is right. It's all about not needing to sell these days or being able to sell and going into better value stocks for long term or successful cicoing.
Bon chance - like le Rogue trader would say.

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Alakoso...where is JK?
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« Reply #22901 on: February 26, 2010, 06:40:12 AM »
NITEL sale controversy: NCP clears New Generations Telecom

@ Shak, NNs,

Let us hope that the tech committee has sought reassurance from both PNB Paribas and Minerva that the money will be paid and not just got "kola" from Gicell Wireless before making this clearance or else another major national embarassment will be in the offing.

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« Reply #22902 on: February 28, 2010, 11:54:15 AM »
@ NNs,

I have received a message today that MinervaFZCO of Jebel Ali Free Zone Dubai that they are not involved in the Nitel bid. Could there be another Minerva group in Dubai that is involved?
Looking very suspicious but not even our BPE and NCP can be so careless as to get this wrong. So there must be another Minerva in Dubai that is financing the NewGen deal?

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« Reply #22903 on: February 28, 2010, 07:05:21 PM »
@ NNs,

I have received a message today that MinervaFZCO of Jebel Ali Free Zone Dubai that they are not involved in the Nitel bid. Could there be another Minerva group in Dubai that is involved?
Looking very suspicious but not even our BPE and NCP can be so careless as to get this wrong. So there must be another Minerva in Dubai that is financing the NewGen deal?

Samstone4 8) 8)
Alakoso....

What I want to know is if payment for 30% was made last Friday.
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« Reply #22904 on: February 28, 2010, 07:26:49 PM »
@ NNs,

I have received a message today that MinervaFZCO of Jebel Ali Free Zone Dubai that they are not involved in the Nitel bid. Could there be another Minerva group in Dubai that is involved?
Looking very suspicious but not even our BPE and NCP can be so careless as to get this wrong. So there must be another Minerva in Dubai that is financing the NewGen deal?

Samstone4 8) 8)
Alakoso.. ..

What I want to know is if payment for 30% was made last Friday.

@ Shak,

The grace period starts from the day the NCP approves the sale. What we have so far is the tech committee of the NCP recommending that the NCP approve....Buy Transcorp for long term...a word is enough for my erstwhile rebellious now faithfully keeping this site alive lieutenant.

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« Reply #22905 on: February 28, 2010, 08:06:33 PM »
@ NNs,

I have received a message today that MinervaFZCO of Jebel Ali Free Zone Dubai that they are not involved in the Nitel bid. Could there be another Minerva group in Dubai that is involved?
Looking very suspicious but not even our BPE and NCP can be so careless as to get this wrong. So there must be another Minerva in Dubai that is financing the NewGen deal?

Samstone4 8) 8)
Alakoso.. ..

What I want to know is if payment for 30% was made last Friday.

@ Shak,

The grace period starts from the day the NCP approves the sale. What we have so far is the tech committee of the NCP recommending that the NCP approve....Buy Transcorp for long term...a word is enough for my erstwhile rebellious now faithfully keeping this site alive lieutenant.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

More like "Buy at your own risk"  ;D :D
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« Reply #22906 on: February 28, 2010, 09:19:46 PM »
@ NNs,

I have received a message today that MinervaFZCO of Jebel Ali Free Zone Dubai that they are not involved in the Nitel bid. Could there be another Minerva group in Dubai that is involved?
Looking very suspicious but not even our BPE and NCP can be so careless as to get this wrong. So there must be another Minerva in Dubai that is financing the NewGen deal?

Samstone4 8) 8)
Alakoso.. ..

What I want to know is if payment for 30% was made last Friday.

@ Shak,

The grace period starts from the day the NCP approves the sale. What we have so far is the tech committee of the NCP recommending that the NCP approve....Buy Transcorp for long term...a word is enough for my erstwhile rebellious now faithfully keeping this site alive lieutenant.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

More like "Buy at your own risk"  ;D :D

@ Shak, Pump,

Like the Greek goddess of victory would say: "Just do it!"

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« Reply #22907 on: March 01, 2010, 07:06:48 AM »
@ NNs,

This story in tribune does not gel with my information that the TC debt for buying Nitel will be paid out of the proceeds of the sale not by the buyer! If Nitel was bought free of liabilities it means that any debt to TC is not to be paid by the buyer!
Even the reserve price of 900 milliol dollars obtains it will cover the debt:

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Controversy still trails Transcorp?s N63bn investment in NITEL

Written by Friday Ekeoba, Lagos

Investors? hope of recouping their investment in Transnational Corporation of Nigeria (Transcorp) may still be hanging in the balance as the recent concession of Nigerian Telecommunications Limited (NITEL) to the New Generations Telecommunications Consortium may have finally put paid to the investors quest.

Transcorp had in August 2006, paid the sum of N63 billion as part payment for the acquisition of majority shareholding in NITEL and ever since the Telecommunication giant has been enmeshed in one crisis or the other, thereby leading to Transcorp?s investment in NITEL dwindling on a daily basis.

The venture company (TRANSCORP) was expecting the Federal Government directives on Bureau for Public Enterprises (BPE) for the return of its N63 billion investment in NITEL when the recent concession carried out.

Nigerian Tribune investigation at the weekend showed that investors in Transcorp may have to wait a little longer to recoup their money as the new owners of NITEL were not told about the company?s indebtedness to Transcorp.

A source at BPE who spoke to the Nigerian Tribune under anonymity, said there was need for Transcorp and the Bureau to meet in the coming weeks to work out whether of not money owed Transcorp would be refunded.

He said as things stood now, the possibilities of paying Transcorp back its investment was very slim owning to the fact that the corporation failed to meet in full, its own side of the bargain when the NITEL was offered to it, noting that Transcorp might still be allowed equity stake in NITEL, to forestall total loss of its investment."

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« Reply #22908 on: March 01, 2010, 06:20:25 PM »
Do we remember the last result released by TC which had no debts? That result seemed to show they had paid the banks. Does anyone have any info on that?

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« Reply #22909 on: March 01, 2010, 09:06:23 PM »
Do we remember the last result released by TC which had no debts? That result seemed to show they had paid the banks. Does anyone have any info on that?

@ Bandido,

My info at the time, and I believe it to be the case,was that in an out of court agreement the government assumed the principal of the debt, $500 million, and Transcorp settled the interest with the bank. The principal was to be paid to the bank from the proceeds of the sale of nitel. These new reports are just muddying the water. Don't see the government just plain refuse to pay transcorp because they can. The new buyers certainly with not sit comfortably with any such decision by the government. The important thing now is that NewGen should pay the $2.5 billion.

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« Reply #22910 on: March 01, 2010, 10:58:11 PM »
Do we remember the last result released by TC which had no debts? That result seemed to show they had paid the banks. Does anyone have any info on that?

@ Bandido,

My info at the time, and I believe it to be the case,was that in an out of court agreement the government assumed the principal of the debt, $500 million, and Transcorp settled the interest with the bank. The principal was to be paid to the bank from the proceeds of the sale of nitel. These new reports are just muddying the water. Don't see the government just plain refuse to pay transcorp because they can. The new buyers certainly with not sit comfortably with any such decision by the government. The important thing now is that NewGen should pay the $2.5 billion.

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

and like we say in Texas, this is most likely not gonna happen
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« Reply #22911 on: March 02, 2010, 02:11:01 AM »
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« Reply #22913 on: March 02, 2010, 03:52:56 AM »
Cmdr, Pls am still tryin to undastd. D government taking over the principal for tc's debt to d banks was supposed to be in return for what?
TC's stake in nitel? Or just a part of it? Or the plan was to remove that amount from TC's share of the nitel sale proceeds?

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« Reply #22914 on: March 02, 2010, 05:37:20 AM »
Cmdr, Pls am still tryin to undastd. D government taking over the principal for tc's debt to d banks was supposed to be in return for what?
TC's stake in nitel? Or just a part of it? Or the plan was to remove that amount from TC's share of the nitel sale proceeds?


@ Bandido,

Not certain about the exact terms but it seems it was the government that realised they were on weak legal footing thus it may transpire that TC will have the opton of either depending on the sale price. what I heard was that some more money was due for what TC actually spent while the so-called owner as well as govt paying the pricipal. If the sale actually goes for 2.5 billion dollars I expect TC will want more.
Shak does not believe the money will be paid but I hear from a source in the NeGen consortium that it will be paid. My take is that NewGen is a front for some Nigerians with the money but do not want to be seen to be the actual buyers hence all the Minerva palava. Probably the same persons that made it difficult for TC to take effective control of Nitel.

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« Reply #22915 on: March 02, 2010, 08:29:30 AM »
If its nigerians financing d deal, then I may start doubting my previous believe that the money will not be paid. We have a lot of nigerians that have looted the treasury with more money than sense who do not know wat to do with it. Nice article on thisday about nitel sale dead on arrival.

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« Reply #22916 on: March 02, 2010, 11:13:52 AM »
If its nigerians financing d deal, then I may start doubting my previous believe that the money will not be paid. We have a lot of nigerians that have looted the treasury with more money than sense who do not know wat to do with it. Nice article on thisday about nitel sale dead on arrival.

@ Bandido,

Read the story last night.
The sale is shaky. The only viable explanation I can think of is that the NewGen is a front for some Nigerians. It seems they all bidded quite low than it was announced that the sale is without liabilities and the price offered shot up to 2.5 Billion. The buyers probably expect that if they pay the 2.5 Billion dollars they will be left alone, which I think they should. It will still be a money spinner for generations to come. Anyone ever wondered how much Globacom has invested and when they expect to break even?

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« Reply #22917 on: March 02, 2010, 12:14:34 PM »
The problem with the $2.5bn valuation for nitel is exactly what are u getting? Even without any liabilities and without the real estate, d price is extremely high considerin they still need substantial amounts to revive nitel, have to battle with the loss of subscribers to competition n loss of the SAT3 monopoly. 

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« Reply #22918 on: March 02, 2010, 04:06:29 PM »
If its nigerians financing d deal, then I may start doubting my previous believe that the money will not be paid. We have a lot of nigerians that have looted the treasury with more money than sense who do not know wat to do with it. Nice article on thisday about nitel sale dead on arrival.

@ Bandido,

Read the story last night.
The sale is shaky. The only viable explanation I can think of is that the NewGen is a front for some Nigerians. It seems they all bidded quite low than it was announced that the sale is without liabilities and the price offered shot up to 2.5 Billion. The buyers probably expect that if they pay the 2.5 Billion dollars they will be left alone, which I think they should. It will still be a money spinner for generations to come. Anyone ever wondered how much Globacom has invested and when they expect to break even?

Samstone4 8) 8) 8)
Alakoso...

CMDR,

Whoever buys wants to make money for himself and fellow shareholders now, and not wait for his generation generation to reap the benefits  :D.  Have you seen a CEO justify an investment to his shareholders that this investment will lose money now, but your great-grand children will make money from it? We can't all be as generous or considerate as you, our dearest Alakoso; we know your shares in TC are destined for your great100 grand children.  Some of us want to enjoy the fruits of our labour  :D
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« Reply #22919 on: March 02, 2010, 04:08:17 PM »
The problem with the $2.5bn valuation for nitel is exactly what are u getting? Even without any liabilities and without the real estate, d price is extremely high considerin they still need substantial amounts to revive nitel, have to battle with the loss of subscribers to competition n loss of the SAT3 monopoly.  

$2.5B is way too high and the Thisday article did a reasonable job of stating this fact.  The only people that think NITEL is worth $2.5B are NewGen and our dear CMDR  :D  

CMDR, if you had $2.5B would you use it to buy NITEL?
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