DON'T SEND YOUR WIFE TO UK

[londoncool]

 

[omoge]

Wow...never heard this before...Jess its high time people stop doing the whole abroad delivering shege thing mehn

[hama]

I am aware of the US clamp-down (including not giving visas to women that had babies in the US) but this would be the first time I am hearing about the UK.

Well, I dont blame them - too much abuse.

[goodgirl]

well i believe it is a good thing if such abuses are stopped to clean up the name - nigeria

[speedy08]

This clampdown has been on for a while, but the UK just got aggressive with it.
The US is worse. Even if you are not pregnant, if you have had a baby there, they can still deport you from the airport, if you didn't pay your bills....

Nigerians just like awoof. Until the ireland embassy started a pregnancy test before issuance of visas, a lot of new nigerians were being delivered there.
Don't know why there is so much stress about having babies abroad (my mistake, i do know why.... who no like to use the short citizens line at immigration when entering the us again?)

And i don't buy the excuse so many of my friends give.... better healthcare etc.. na lie. There are many great maternity hospitals here as well!!!

[invisible!]

Why should she deliver her baby there sef? free medical care? I am also covered here by free medical care in one of the best hospitals around (owned by Spannish doctors) and I can secure the childs future with the money I should have spent travelling, like using it to buy a strong mutual fund in the child's name. By this time in 20 years time the child will be thanking God for being a Nigerian 'shon of the shoil'

[omoge]

The highlighted part na ur "Ibadan Accent abi"


 :noevil: :noevil: :noevil:

Why should she deliver her baby there sef? free medical care? I am also covered here by free medical care in one of the best hospitals around (owned by Spannish doctors) and I can secure the childs future with the money I should have spent travelling, like using it to buy a strong mutual fund in the child's name. By this time in 20 years time the child will be thanking God for being a Nigerian 'shon of the shoil'

[invisible!]

The highlighted part na ur "Ibadan Accent abi"


 :noevil: :noevil: :noevil:

Why should she deliver her baby there sef? free medical care? I am also covered here by free medical care in one of the best hospitals around (owned by Spannish doctors) and I can secure the childs future with the money I should have spent travelling, like using it to buy a strong mutual fund in the child's name. By this time in 20 years time the child will be thanking God for being a Nigerian 'shon of the shoil'

YES OO but I have never lived there.

[Geees]

e go beta
Greener pastures... If one puts down 200K (assuming that is the cost of a return ticket) for Nigeria one would deliver in a private hospital...just wondering?
I hope a change comes soon..
Oh Lord hear my prayer

[LUCKY]

Trust Nigerians to come up with ingenious ways to guarantee Greener pastures.
It's mind-buggling that some Nigerians opt to join the US/British Army not minding going to Iraq and Afghanistan.
They get full citizenship status & retire almost immediately to flaunt their passport of convenience.
These clampdowns will end up making the black market option very juicy.
A UK passport retails for 500 pounds in some quarters according to intelligence reports.

I don't know why we can't be proud of just being Nigerians.
To my dismay, Ayo Omotade the British Airways ordeal chap is a British citizen who he is crying wolf.
The rate at which Nigerians acquire US/British citizenship is alarming.
This should be viewed as a major threat to our Nigeria's security, because these guys will not bart an eyelid to loot public funds or sell national secrets. I wish passport control was something to reckon with when acquiring the new Naija e-passport or Ecowas passport.

[walcolm]

Omoge,
the whole delivering abroad thing has been on for the better part of forever!!! it has only become pronounced in recent times due to the increase in affluence levels and decrease in the actual cost of travelling out of nigeria

i think the desire to deliver abroad is a mix of a lot of things- most of which are vain really. for most, it's d 'be like the jones syndrome'. her friend delivered abroad, so she too has to deliver abroad to feel among. some used to do it because of the automatic citizenship it affords the child and the consequent benefit in terms of welfare and schooling opportunities but that is no longer the case in US, UK and recently Ireland. others will rather enjoy awoof and use the money they ought to use to pay for the delivery to shop while there.

i guess now that there are consequences people will start re-evaluating the cost/benefit of doing it.
 :news: i even hear the US imposes a life ban on visa issuance to the husband of any woman who comes to the US to deliver on a visiting visa

[Omoba3]

Trust Nigerians to come up with ingenious ways to guarantee Greener pastures.
It's mind-buggling that some Nigerians opt to join the US/British Army not minding going to Iraq and Afghanistan.
They get full citizenship status & retire almost immediately to flaunt their passport of convenience.
These clampdowns will end up making the black market option very juicy.
A UK passport retails for 500 pounds in some quarters according to intelligence reports.

I don't know why we can't be proud of just being Nigerians.
To my dismay, Ayo Omotade the British Airways ordeal chap is a British citizen who he is crying wolf.
The rate at which Nigerians acquire US/British citizenship is alarming.
This should be viewed as a major threat to our Nigeria's security, because these guys will not bart an eyelid to loot public funds or sell national secrets. I wish passport control was something to reckon with when acquiring the new Naija e-passport or Ecowas passport.

Lucky: Would you care to elaborate on the above in bold? I was under the impression Ayo and the other hundred of passengers were wronged?

[LUCKY]

To my dismay, Ayo Omotade the British Airways ordeal chap is a British citizen who he is crying wolf.
Lucky: Would you care to elaborate on the above in bold? I was under the impression Ayo and the other hundred of passengers were wronged?

Everbody was wronged. There are two set of laws in these case. One for British citizens and another for Nigerians.
Ayo's action as a British citizen could be interpreted as treasonable
       His sworn loyalty to the Queen is put into question by speaking up in favour of a Nigerian as such he is treated with the blunt arm of ''his'' law.
People choose their battles carefully and as such the British police have chosen to treat Ayo as a scape-goat because he may be viewed as a traitor.
Banning the other Nigerians for expressing solidarity for a fellow Nigerian would amount to blatant wickedness & PR suicide. Hope it suffices.

As rightly pointed, this clampdown on pregnant women has been on for a while, but the UK/US just got aggressive with it.
International travel is no longer the exclusive province of the rich. Over the next several decades, hundreds of millions of new entrants to the middle class will want not only the things—but also the experiences—that money can buy. The culture of not paying before service has been exploited by Nigerians to our detriment.

Hope is not lost as medical tourism is actively promote by Greece, South Africa, Jordan, India, Malaysia, Philippines and Singapore. India is a recent entrant into medical tourism offering major price advantage. It will take a miracle for them to attract the increasing traffic of pregnant Nigerian women simply because they are not open to AWOOF.

[Omoba3]

To my dismay, Ayo Omotade the British Airways ordeal chap is a British citizen who he is crying wolf.
Lucky: Would you care to elaborate on the above in bold? I was under the impression Ayo and the other hundred of passengers were wronged?

Everbody was wronged. There are two set of laws in these case. One for British citizens and another for Nigerians.
Ayo's action as a British citizen could be interpreted as treasonable
       His sworn loyalty to the Queen is put into question by speaking up in favour of a Nigerian as such he is treated with the blunt arm of ''his'' law.
People choose their battles carefully and as such the British police have chosen to treat Ayo as a scape-goat because he may be viewed as a traitor.
Banning the other Nigerians for expressing solidarity for a fellow Nigerian would amount to blatant wickedness & PR suicide. Hope it suffices.

As rightly pointed, this clampdown on pregnant women has been on for a while, but the UK/US just got aggressive with it.
International travel is no longer the exclusive province of the rich. Over the next several decades, hundreds of millions of new entrants to the middle class will want not only the things—but also the experiences—that money can buy. The culture of not paying before service has been exploited by Nigerians to our detriment.

Hope is not lost as medical tourism is actively promote by Greece, South Africa, Jordan, India, Malaysia, Philippines and Singapore. India is a recent entrant into medical tourism offering major price advantage. It will take a miracle for them to attract the increasing traffic of pregnant Nigerian women simply because they are not open to AWOOF.

Lucky: Now you done gone and opened up a can of worms! Are you saying that because you are a citizen of any particular country, you cannot speak out against an injustice or the oppression of another people? Hell No! I hold a British passport but I would never consider myself a British citizen! I consider it a privilege that enables me come and go somewhat without hindrance, but British people and institutions consider anyone not of a Caucasian disposition, people like me, an unavoidable nuisance.

The fact that you are black automatically makes you a foreigner in their country and they do treat you with disrespect whenever they can get away with it. Too many "Black British citizens" have attested to the appalling treatment they receive when travelling to other countries within the European Union. My wife's friend, only two days ago, told us of her experience in Italy. She unknowingly bumped into an Italian man, the man screamed in disgust, took off his jacket and started wiping it on his girlfriend, disgust written all over his face!!! Whilst his girlfriend also started screaming!!!

You would think she (my wife's friend) had poured shit all over him!!! It took everything in her not to whack the man. Also she said everywhere she went, she was being given dirty looks. She visited one of the churches there and asked the priest why she was being given dirty looks, he said,"you can't be black and pretty", meaning black is meant to be ugly! and all this from a priest, supposedly a man of God! Go figure!

Passports of black people (citizens) are overly scrutinized when we travel to certain countries. The irony of the whole issue is that the real culprits are Caucasians like themselves!!! They are the ones that get away. However, for the simple reason of being black, you are already guilty of every offence, true or imagined. You are considered untrustworthy, dishonest, unprofessional and no good!!! I should know! When I started out in my line of business, my business card indicated me as the proprietor. When potential clients respond to my adverts, they expect to see a white person (they can't tell from my voice). I didn't realise this immediately. It took a while for me to understand what was going on, but as soon as I realised this, I changed my title to Operations Manager.

This was the beginning of better things, or so I thought. Now I that I had gotten through the door, I was able to provide them with quotes and they always assumed that I had a white boss behind me. Trouble started when they started to phone the accounts dept, and other assumed departments. They always got through to me, no sooner they put two and two together and our cheques started arriving late. Directors in charge of signing cheques went on holidays! I would have paid my staff for two months and I'm yet to receive the first months payment.

I somehow thought these were isolated occurrences, until I discovered numerous British Nigerians, had white people to front their businesses!! They had white receptionists and/or white sales people to bring in business. This way success was guaranteed. Black men are considered a threat in this society, women on the other hand have it good. They are not viewed as a threat. Now what part of being British should I be proud of? Is it the part that I have a British passport or the part that when potential clients ask what my ethnic origin is, and I say Nigerian and I then become a culprit? Pray tell, what does my colour have to do with how well I do my work?

Why does my colour draw inferences about unprofessionalism and untrustworthiness? I would speak out about any issue as long as I find its against my beliefs or inhumane, does this constitute treason? When Bush and Blair decided to wage war against Iraq, owing to the imaginary weapons of mass destruction, would you consider all those who spoke out against what they did unpatriotic and their actions treasonable?

His sworn loyalty to the Queen is put into question by speaking up in favour of a Nigerian as such he is treated with the blunt arm of ''his'' law.
People choose their battles carefully and as such the British police have chosen to treat Ayo as a scape-goat because he may be viewed as a traitor.

These are Ayo's word:

I pleaded with the officers not to kill him and my exact words were “please don’t kill him�. The British Airways staff said that the officers were doing their jobs and that nothing was going to happen. The noise became louder and other passengers started getting concerned and were complaining especially about their safety.
 
Eventually, a member of the cabin crew announced that the passenger was going to be removed and the passenger was removed from the plane and we all thought that was the end of the situation. Five minutes later, two members of the cabin crew arrived with about 4 police officers and told me to get off the plane. I asked what the matter was and they said that I was not going to travel with the airline because the cabin crew thought I had been disruptive by questioning the noise being caused by the person that was removed.

I swore no loyalty or allegiance to any Queen, and if I did, I wouldn't think twice about denouncing such loyalty in favour of speaking out for someone being unjustly manhandled. If my speaking out resorts to such action as Ayo has received, then so be it. But hang on a second, how could they have known Ayo was a citizen before taking him off the plane? They did not know! It was the usual case of another "black bastard" that needs to be put in his place. The police had no business with Ayo, else they would have gone for him at the same time of dealing with the other guy being deported (this is how they operate). It was the British Airways staff that felt he needed to be taken off their aircraft! I have been witness on numerous occasions to BA's disrespect of Nigerians, so also Virgin Atlantic Airways, each time I'm never the one at the receiving end, else I would have raised hell!

I think that we need to stand up for ourselves as a people, regardless of which countries citizenship we have acquired. We need to speak up when things are not right, else such crappy treatment will not cease.

(P.S. Lucky, I no fight you o, but I think you got it wrong about Ayo, that is unless he told lies!)

[LUCKY]

Thanks for your incisive discourse.
I'm so sorry that you are treated with disdain despite the fact that you own a British passport. Your Britishness is taken for granted.
Nigeria needs people like you to come and make a difference. Are you ready to renounce your British citizenship?

You have raised some interesting questions on Morality, Free will and Patriotism.

Ayo's case--To whom much is given, much is expected.
Clearly British Airways & police don't tolerate perversion of the course of justice. They have a database to know who is who.  He is perceived as supporting attitudes or positions thought to be against the interests or well-being of Britain. (Colluding with foreigners to subvert British interest ==> British Traitor) This is a big deal when it comes from a British citizen.

The Senate can speak up for the other Nigerians and get the usual apology for flight delays and cancellations. This doesn't fall short of BA's terms and conditions.  9a1) The flight times shown in our timetables may change between the date of publication and the date you actually travel. We do not guarantee these flight times to you and they do not form part of your contract of carriage with us.  http://www.britishairways.com/travel/genconcarr1/public/en_gb#9
The Senate cannot fight for Ayo because they could be told to mind their business as this is a British affair on British soil.

Once again you have raised some interesting questions on Morality, Free will and Patriotism/swearing allegiance to the Queen. We can address them as a new thread.

[Omoba3]

Thanks for your incisive discourse.
I'm so sorry that you are treated with disdain despite the fact that you own a British passport.
Nigeria needs people like you to come and make a difference. Are you ready to renounce your British citizenship?

You have raised some interesting questions on Morality, Free will and Patriotism.

Ayo's case--To whom much is given, much is expected.
Clearly the British police don't tolerate perversion of the course of justice. He is perceived as supporting attitudes or positions thought to be against the interests or well-being of Britain. This is a big deal when it comes from a British citizen.

The Senate can speak up for the other Nigerians and get the usual apology for flight delays and cancellations. This doesn't fall short of BA's terms and conditions.  9a1) The flight times shown in our timetables may change between the date of publication and the date you actually travel. We do not guarantee these flight times to you and they do not form part of your contract of carriage with us.  http://www.britishairways.com/travel/genconcarr1/public/en_gb#9
The Senate cannot fight for Ayo because they could be told to mind their business as this is a British affair on British soil.

Once again you have raised some interesting questions on Morality, Free will and Patriotism/swearing allegiance to the Queen. We can address them as a new thread.

Come on Lucky, do you really believe Ayo was the only Nigerian on board the flight that spoke up? I very much doubt it. Are you certain there were no other britico pali holders amongst the 135 ejected from the flight to Nigeria? I'm willing to believe that there were others. They were amongst those that spoke up, but Ayo was singled out.

I am really surprised that you maintain that Ayo got the treatment he got because he was a British citizen. Did you read this somewhere?

Clearly the British police don't tolerate perversion of the course of justice. He is perceived as supporting attitudes or positions thought to be against the interests or well-being of Britain. This is a big deal when it comes from a British citizen.

What gives you this impression that the British police do not tolerate the perversion of the course of justice? Or that he is seen as supporting attitudes or positions against Britain? Do you by any chance work for the British police, sorry but I must ask? An Irish man once told me this, he said, " We are both the same (Irish and black people) the only difference is that a black man is guilty because of the colour of his skin, while an Irish man (looks white) is only guilty until he opens his mouth (Irish accent). We were also discussing how when policemen have to apprehend one blackman, usually whilst driving it take four squad cars and no less than 6 - 10 officers. Why is a blackman guilty for driving a nice car? Are all black men drug dealers to warrant such action? When the police manhandle a blackman not resisting arrest, are they tolerating the perversion of the course of justice?

A Jamaican female friend has no landline in her home. Her neighbour, 2 doors away does. This neighbour has an autistic child. The child plays pranks by dialling 999. The police arrive at the wrong house, why? The neighbour registered her phone to my friend's address! After the first, second and third time this occurred, you would expect things to be resolved. No way! I forgot to add that the police went through her house top to bottom searching for a phone that was non-existent and interrogating/asking her 4 year old, if she was being abused by her mum! They rough handled my friend and were menacing towrds her and her three kids. The police have been there no less than 15 times!!!

The last time they came, they left the whole family in tears!!! As if this was not enough they arrested mother and daughter (14 years old), why for protesting about how they were treating her mum! To date despite police's knowledge of the neighbour's phone being registered to someone else's address, not one day since all of this started happening have they bothered to knock on her door, she happens to be a white woman, unless this doesn't matter?

Will you tell me that the same thing would have happened if the roles were reversed, and the white woman became the black woman?

As per citizenship, I do have my Nigerian passport and I am making plans to return home in the very near future, part of this is why I invest in Nigeria.

Like someone said, if Abacha were arround, he would have done something about the attrocities committed by these airlines.

[LUCKY]

@ Omoba3, I'll be happy to discuss further in another thread.
I'm interested in knowing your opinion on why Ayo was singled out here. http://www.newnigerians.com/my_ordeal_in_the_hands_of_british_airways_first_hand_account_from_ayo_omotade-t793.0.html
As I earlier said people choose their battles carefully. It will be nice to watch how this case plays out.

Lets try and focus on DON'T SEND YOUR PREGNANT WIFE TO UK.

[Geees]

@ Omoba3, I'll be happy to discuss further in another thread.
I'm interested in knowing your opinion on why Ayo was singled out here. http://www.newnigerians.com/my_ordeal_in_the_hands_of_british_airways_first_hand_account_from_ayo_omotade-t793.0.html
As I earlier said people choose their battles carefully. It will be nice to watch how this case plays out.

Lets try and focus on DON'T SEND YOUR PREGNANT WIFE TO UK.

Thanks for the diversion...
But the ideas are somewhat similar...
What is wrong in being black ask Matthew Ashimolowo

[Geees]

Read http://www.tribune.com.ng/26042008/news/news3.html this weekend.

[quiet one]

 :spoiler:

I may sound controversial but there is a divide or difference between "black British nigerian" and "Nigerian-British" and some of the issues mentioned above have a lot to do with this.

[hama]

:spoiler:

I may sound controversial but there is a divide or difference between "black British nigerian" and "Nigerian-British" and some of the issues mentioned above have a lot to do with this.

@quiet one, what's the difference. Pls explain.

[yodiyokun]

I think one of the major reasons people travel out to put to bed is cos of passport.
The ireland rave was bad then  because it was automatic pali for the baby, same for US and Canada.

However, I dont know why anyone will go to UK to deliver baby.

I had my two kids in Naija, The hospital I used cost a serious fortune. On that I did not compromise.

Infact I would say my Kids has access to better health care back home than in Uk or Canada.

I can see a Peaditrician anytime I want - not a yeye GP that I am saddled with here that will be telling me stories. But all na money.

I can remember what happened while I was in Uk - I went to GP 4 times for my son's bad flu. It got to a point he couldnt walk, until I told the young GP off and that I wanted to see the dokita agba before I had some Ibrufen prescribed for him.

I am not sure this applies to US though, I hear say money for hand back for ground?

The only thing Developed countries have going for them is emergency response - cos in emergency 1 minute can make a difference in life and death. Dial 199 or 911 and you will think they were outside your door be4. Fire fire, police, Paramedics - every one done show face, but after they take you reach hospital - you may not get a bed!.

The town I live now has only one hospital - see me see wahala - Thanks God, No one in my house is visiting there!.

In naija, no first aid - so choose your pick :rotlmao: :rotlmao:

[windywendy]

Infact I would say my Kids has access to better health care back home than in Uk or Canada.

Nooooo, you didn't just say that... :banned: :banned:

[Geees]

Infact I would say my Kids has access to better health care back home than in Uk or Canada.

I can see a Peaditrician anytime I want - not a yeye GP that I am saddled with here that will be telling me stories. But all na money.

I can remember what happened while I was in Uk - I went to GP 4 times for my son's bad flu. It got to a point he couldnt walk, until I told the young GP off and that I wanted to see the dokita agba before I had some Ibrufen prescribed for him.

Truth be told!!

[Omoba3]

:spoiler:

I may sound controversial but there is a divide or difference between "black British nigerian" and "Nigerian-British" and some of the issues mentioned above have a lot to do with this.

Quiet One: Please come and redeem yourself with explanations for the above. The only distinction I can possibly suss out is that "black British nigerian" refers to a British citizen of Nigerian decendants and "Nigerian-British" refers to Nigerians that have naturalized? Is this correct? Is this what you mean?

[quiet one]

Omoba3 you are absolutely correct

[Planta]

"black British nigerian"-My name is  Adebola,My father is from Nigeria but I am from Brixton.I have lived all my life there.

"Nigerian-British"-Bros na wao.I dey build house for Ibadan.Person don tire for this place.Even with this britishhh kpali dem still dey treat man like foreigner

[hama]

"black British nigerian"-My name is  Adebola,My father is from Nigeria but I am from Brixton.I have lived all my life there.

"Nigerian-British"-Bros na wao.I dey build house for Ibadan.Person don tire for this place.Even with this britishhh kpali dem still dey treat man like foreigner

 :rotlmao: tnx for clarifying

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